Revelation 13

Hey Brendan, how are you?
I'm done with these people, brother. I feel sorry for them, because at the end of the day their tricks won't work and they have to stand empty handed again. You can't trick God.

They wrote me an ultimatum to either write an apology or be banned for a week. It will take a miracle for me to return to that Board.

I'm glad that Prop forwarded me your board. I've been active on a german board for some time but the situation was not that better. Infact worse. It is all about cliques, gossip and sectarianism. I felt so mentally drained and the spirit sucked out of me whenever I dwell 15 minutes over there. I always tried to compare the german forum with PC and found PC a better place to stay. No more. And it is exactly as you described it. Fellowship doesn't mean anything if you don't play the circus. It is sad.

Oh yea, we both (Iso and I) know what I wrote. Once I caught him maliciously harrasing folks with accusations I knew he himself fabricated. A complete lie. And those folks were eventually booted out. He told me that he has evidence to his accusations, but repeatedly ignored my PMs asking him to show me. Once he promised to produce the supposed evidence in a week, and that is many, many months now. I'm sure he is telling people he have no idea what I'm talking about. Ha ha. And yet, I wouldn't have said anything about the matter, if he had left you alone. He behaved as if he couldn't go to bed unless he saw you expelled.

It is a shocking experience to see the real face of people whom you thought you know them very well.

Be blessed, dear brother, hope you don't take them so seriously.

Teshome

This may get me banned!

Hi all,
After my post to Vicky's knee jerk response yesterday, I spent the rest
of the day in the solitude and beauty of the our Northern mountains.

It is not a paradise in name only, it is actually a paradise, (although not in name) few people
walk here, there was only myself and a friend looking for diurnal and
nocturnal owls. So there was no cafe, paradise or otherwise.

I was surprised and disappointed by the vitriol my original post had
caused when I came to read PC today.
I am sorry my friend, Brendan, got banned and AR, who is an honest and
honourably Christian man, has had a lot of unpleasant things said of
him. I am particularly saddened to see that DAK has had to see this
feeding frenzy, he called, "a hornets nest", as sharks circle.

I thought, I had been careful with my post, although I highlighted what
could be a problem. It seemed strangely appropriate and coincidental to a
thread I started just before Dak came on board here.

If I had put my post on that thread, I could not point out, as I did,
what I did. It would seem I obliquely referred to Dak. And no doubt
some suspicious minds here would have sought to see my post as pointed
at DAK because he wasn't mentioned. I try not to do things obliquely.

As it was, I DID say!

Quote plus my comments:
I am not saying this has
happened here with DAK, perish the thought, but I have seen this
sort of thing happen on another forum.

I was not saying it was in DAK's
case!

Someone comes on, draws the members out with empathy being
expressed, then backtracks to
saying the WTS is not so bad after all. I've seen it happen.

On the contrary DAK did not say
the WTS is not so bad after all…I knew that..but it does happen
on occasions...most of us DO go through a rationalisation phase like Dak
and I said that earlier on the thread..

How would we know we are not being subject to a WT apologist ploy?
Does it matter?

Well, does it matter?

I thought my post unambiguous, but I don’t think adding, "when" after
"know" in the last sentence would have made any difference.

But of what I read this is particularly shameful:

Quote: "love bears all things,
hopes all things, believes all things, endures all things."

How much did the above poster endure?

Quote:
it was until disruptors sought to
divert the thread with two rather diabolical posts.


Diabolical means:
1. Of, concerning, or characteristic of the devil; satanic.
2. Appropriate to a devil, especially in degree of wickedness or
cruelty.

You can say what you like about others, Isomam and feel beyond reproach,
but you and I will have to give an account to God! ..

Your response was far from measured and disgraceful. And that is
classic British understatement.
You may sugercoat your words for others and hide what you, are but you
can never fool God.

Thank you so much for the remarks, dear brother. I thank God that we are not in the middle ages, I always think of the region in Africa where I grew up whenever I see people trying to dominate over others. Fortunately the cyberpower these folks think have so furiously to defend is only an illussion.

It was about 3 years ago that I received a PM from PC-Admin (Blaine, Gail, Verna, Vicki), and at first, thinking it was a joke, laughed out loud. Then I read it again, and realised they were serious. It was at that moment I knew who I was dealing with: people who had been beaten down by a cult, and now, having been given the chance in a virtual scenario, were doing the same basic thing they themselves claim to despise. Thats when I said to close my account, and I'll never be back again, and I havnt.

Then it dawned on me that all of those folks were STILL JW's. They have never really left it.

I will not support a DB of JW's wanting to keep people enslaved, and, as I have consistently stated, that is what the ownership of PC and their inner clique want people to do----STAY VICTIMS OF A CULT.

AlienResident wrote:

Thank you so much for the remarks, dear brother. I thank God that we are not in the middle ages, I always think of the region in Africa where I grew up whenever I see people trying to dominate over others. Fortunately the cyberpower these folks think have so furiously to defend is only an illussion.

Its good to be responding to your post here, brother.

Welcome!



Yep....those folks "struck out" in the 'reality lottery', and decided to retreat into their virtual illusion. Pitiful. I guess some of us actually like to be who we are, on and off, of the DB.

How did your boys like the FIFA soccer finale? I actually watched a few minutes of it; I'm kind of glad the Netherlands went down to Spain (although I liked their uniforms better- )

When I was a kid, it was Baseball, Football, and Basketball 24/7, and it didnt matter what the weather was, we were playing.

Dear brother, I wish I could write you more but it is almost half past 1 over here. And I had a sleepless night, thanks to Isota

The kids bought vuvuzelas ( you might have heard of the laud south african trumpetes at the stadiums) when they came to me and when spain scored, they blew, four of them at the same time, It looked like the evening before the fall of Jerico. Seriously Gil, soccer is the only thing I'm interested in in this world.

Will talk to you tomorrow.

AlienResident wrote:

Dear brother, I wish I could write you more but it is almost half past 1 over here. And I had a sleepless night, thanks to Isota

The kids bought vuvuzelas ( you might have heard of the laud south african trumpetes at the stadiums) when they came to me and when spain scored, they blew, four of them at the same time, It looked like the evening before the fall of Jerico. Seriously Gil, soccer is the only thing I'm interested in in this world.

Will talk to you tomorrow.

Hahaha, I understand, my brother.

[Isnt it nice, that when we say 'brother' , it actually MEANS SOMETHING!!!]

It sounds like your boys really enjoyed it. Thats great! Young boys and sports (be it soccer or baseball) go hand in hand.

Peace to you---

Matt

Hi Guys,
I have not finished with them yet. But will choose my time. Imsomommy should be called, sweetandsourpork. I usually refer to him by a medieval expression. "The mailed fist in a velvet glove!"

Boy, he is not a nice man.

Admin didn't like my post! I did try to get as close to the line as possible! Next time they will move the line... I bet that two faced ****** tried to get me banned for rocking his perch.

I'm am sorry, I enjoyed writing that bit on PC!
Derek

Ps I found I had to say little bit more!

Derek wrote:

Hi Guys,
I have not finished with them yet. But will choose my time. Imsomommy should be called, sweetandsourpork. I usually refer to him by a medieval expression. "The mailed fist in a velvet glove!"

Boy, he is not a nice man.

Admin didn't like my post! I did try to get as close to the line as possible! Next time they will move the line... I bet that two faced ****** tried to get me banned for rocking his perch.

I'm am sorry, I enjoyed writing that bit on PC!
Derek

Ps I found I had to say little bit more!

Hey D,

No, he is not a 'nice man', on that DB is a complete hot-bag-o-wind phoney. "Ladies Blouse" I think Brendan put it. I think that the 'sweetandsourpork' is wearing high heels at the poker table while trying to pull off a major bluff; one that has worked on a few folks, but as they say, no matter how long you bluff you have to eventually lay your cards down.

Admin doesnt like YOU. Had your post been from 'smoldering--the coward--wick', it would have been perfectly fine and not a word said. You could have even implied that someone wasnt safe around children, like that Coward did with Anthony (and of course, NOTHING was said).

That board is run by a group of self important pseudo-intellectuals that cant leave a known cult. If viki has half the "linguist" she believes herself to be, she would have dropped the proper name 'jehovah' a long time ago. She hasnt though, becuase SHE HASNT REALLY LEFT THE CULT. Oh, but, she's a 'spiritual teacher'. Please.

Give 'em hell, D. But most importantly....have fun doing it. Those people arent going to change a thing, at least maybe you can get some amusement out of it, as well as show everyone else what kind of people they are.

Hi Matt,
All I can be, is myself, I cannot change much at 71.
I rather like to see how far the boundary can be nudged before all hell comes down on my head. I once did it with a CO and he did an off the cuff service talk and everyone knew who he was talking about. I can laugh now..but I had my say.

It saddens one to see the herd mentality, where, when those high in the pecking order get the 'boot' in, the minions, trying to please, follow suite.
People who one thought better of, disappoint us.
Regards
Derek

Ps. I think Brendan's expression would be, "Big girls blouse!"

Gentlemen,

I must say, in my spirirual journey I was dissappointed by a number folks. Just over a year ago, I was introduced to a very interesting, warm hearted lady, who just can't have enough calling the name of Jesus. She was/ is an ex-JW who had to leave the witnesses because she couldn't bear the empty words about love and the lack of it in the hall. Tirelessly she could write and write and write on how she found Jesus and is filled with the holy spirit. Wow, I was very impressed.
But the more our communications got close and personal, the more the truth start coming out. She could lie about stuff that are so obvious and cry at the same time that she was telling the truth. All the time swearing in the name of? You guessed it. She could do that agian and again and again. And many of the untrue and harmful things she was telling people were matters concerning her own family.

More recently, I realized that these types of experieces repeat themselves. The fact that folks call themselves christians is by no means a guarantee that they mean what they say. I think one can be addicted to untruthfullness just like a drug. And in the end, the addict may spoil his environment, but it is he himself who bears the brunt of his conduct. That is why I think such people are pitiful and we can only pray that they are healed and can one day look at themselves in the mirror.

Lots of love,

I'll tell ya what folks, the more I look around the more I conclude that if we can find just a handful of persons we can trust in Christ, just a handful, we should declare ourselves "happy men".

I have only found a few, and I mean a few, of whom my spirit aligns with thiers regarding the nature of truth and "right and wrong", as it relates to our Father in Heaven.

I am openly pained by this. Because, the implications of this are that my spiritual gyroscope is not attunned well---that is---IM WRONG (regarding the 'this or that' under discussion), or much of what is around me is 'out of sync'.

I dont buy the notion that all I need to do is sit in a room, cross my legs, wait for a "vibration" to lead me to a nirvana of understanding. If it were this simple, and that was all there was to it, I wouldnt require a brain hardwired for calculation and discernment, instinctively seeking the Divine answer within the framework of the language/culture of which I was raised. But, I have such a brain, and, as Lewis Black says..."I have thoughts..."


My brother Tesh I am truly sorry for these people who continually show themselves to be false brethren. Hopefully I and my family have shown you our Chriatian love so that you can always know that there is this little group of "folk" in Kansas that regards you are thier brother in Christ, always.

[And, as you already know, we certainly dont throw those words at every "stranger" that merely posts on some DB, like they do at PC---for afterawhile, those words from those people become meaningless.]


Matt

Hello Mr. Brendan Sir----

No, I wasnt referring to the New Age aspect of it, but rather that, in general, we just dont seem to be designed to be the proto-typical 'transcendental meditator' that just sits in a room and is able to "attune to discernment". It just doesnt work like that. So what we are left with is creation, the Bible, both of which lead us to God and his Son, and then-hopefully-our common sense effort using those tools and our brains in distinguishing 'this from that' in our dealings with others and our daily lives. Just a generality. .

As far as the PC, you're right again, but I wouldnt drop getting banned over there as a result of their own cowardice as seperate from their spirituality. I dont see a seperation. Its a weakness of theirs, and one they are either completely myopic about, or knowingly and consistently covering for. I think the 'big mamma' over there is the latter of the two.
I cut my strings with the Canadian trio (Blane-Verna-Gail; not Geddy, Alex, Neil of RUSH!!! ), long ago, as soon as I saw who they really were. I dont like them, they dont like me, and that is that.

I continued on speaking with viki and brain for awhile, but that also became untennable, as their spirit was too attuned with the PC/WT folk-mentality. Brian went gay and Viki decided to redefine certain words and customs so that gayness & marriage meant completely different things, and they both openly taught such things. I just cant go on with that. Throw in the fact that both of them are actively on the side of the 'stay in the cult' Canadiancrowd, and its good-bye, so long, farwell, to them. Id be fine if they wanted to chat those things over, but all I see from them is misrepresentations and appologistic non-sense for their previous positions. Pass.

No, forums are not substitues, and when they are treated as such, only disapointment will result. There is no substitute for real life human contact, which is the way it was meant to be in the first place. These are just fillers of idle time, hopefully sharing thoughts of either benefit or connection or information. There are certainly worse things a person could be doing while doing this, so, in a way, this isnt all that bad, and can be, pretty good at times.

My .02.


M.

Hi Brendan, Matt and Teshome,
Most of my life I have been much as I am now, although I am no longer fit and vibrant...that's long gone!
I had no male role model after age six but I met the love of my life fifty years ago, and she did the job, all the kings horses and the kings men, couldn't do.
The result of my experience and those like me, means we continually hope for that which we never had, and measure leaders against our ideal.

So I guess I only found the kind of leadership in the self sacrifice of my Captain, I was a JW elder and 37 years old, when I came to know and love my Master.
God has been good to me.

Like my Master, I hate abuse of power, as I was mentally abused as a child.
And hence, I respect those who put loyalty to friends before loss of face and derision. Those who do not retreat in a tight corner when the going gets tough.
So I value you three brothers friendship.


I hope your treatment on PC, Brendan and Teshome, does not cause you any future loss of sleep. The place is failing as some know well, and, perhaps, we will give them a name to blame, however, the heirachy are engineering their own demise and cannot see, or will not see, their imitative WT behavior.
I hope we can, at least, stop some becoming captive to sweet talk.

Peace to you
Derek

Propmin wrote:

I'll tell ya what folks, the more I look around the more I conclude that if we can find just a handful of persons we can trust in Christ, just a handful, we should declare ourselves "happy men".

I have only found a few, and I mean a few, of whom my spirit aligns with thiers regarding the nature of truth and "right and wrong", as it relates to our Father in Heaven.

I am openly pained by this. Because, the implications of this are that my spiritual gyroscope is not attunned well---that is---IM WRONG (regarding the 'this or that' under discussion), or much of what is around me is 'out of sync'.

I dont buy the notion that all I need to do is sit in a room, cross my legs, wait for a "vibration" to lead me to a nirvana of understanding. If it were this simple, and that was all there was to it, I wouldnt require a brain hardwired for calculation and discernment, instinctively seeking the Divine answer within the framework of the language/culture of which I was raised. But, I have such a brain, and, as Lewis Black says..."I have thoughts..."


My brother Tesh I am truly sorry for these people who continually show themselves to be false brethren. Hopefully I and my family have shown you our Chriatian love so that you can always know that there is this little group of "folk" in Kansas that regards you are thier brother in Christ, always.

[And, as you already know, we certainly dont throw those words at every "stranger" that merely posts on some DB, like they do at PC---for afterawhile, those words from those people become meaningless.]


Matt

Haha, you sure have forgotten what you have done to me last april when I
was your guest, right? You beat me, repeatedly, remember? I've to avenge that first, we talk only afterwards. (FYI, Brendan and Derek, I was blessed to be a guest at Matt's home in Kansas and was hugely blessed for two consequitive years to partake the Lord's evening meal with Matt, Anthony and their Familes.)


You know what I call you and yours, dear brother: My family. That is what you are to me. That is also why I always say, one should never be afraid of
unchartered territories. Infact, it is in the unknown that we mostly
discover the most wonderful things in life. I remember how scared to
death I was to join a discussion board when I decided to leave the
witnesses seven years ago. Looking back, I had watched the same
hypocrisy in DBs that drove me away from kingdom halls, but had the
freedom to join in and leave without being ostrasized. And in the
process I was blessed with a couple of dear brothers and sisters in the
faith who are a thousand times worth than the crowd out there. That is
also why I'm so infuriated by those who tell others who venture out to
stay where they are, just pray more.

I don't feel comfortable with words that are sugarcoated, Matt. And people write a lot of wishy-washy. You surely have read those meaningless closing words "your friend and brother"
I'm glad none of your posts fall in that category. Infact what you write can be scary. But that is what happened when one says what one thinks. People who are used to sweet words without any substance don't like expressions that speak the truth.

Lots and lots of love to you my dear brother.

AlienResident wrote:

Propmin wrote:

I'll tell ya what folks, the more I look around the more I conclude that if we can find just a handful of persons we can trust in Christ, just a handful, we should declare ourselves "happy men".

I have only found a few, and I mean a few, of whom my spirit aligns with thiers regarding the nature of truth and "right and wrong", as it relates to our Father in Heaven.

I am openly pained by this. Because, the implications of this are that my spiritual gyroscope is not attunned well---that is---IM WRONG (regarding the 'this or that' under discussion), or much of what is around me is 'out of sync'.

I dont buy the notion that all I need to do is sit in a room, cross my legs, wait for a "vibration" to lead me to a nirvana of understanding. If it were this simple, and that was all there was to it, I wouldnt require a brain hardwired for calculation and discernment, instinctively seeking the Divine answer within the framework of the language/culture of which I was raised. But, I have such a brain, and, as Lewis Black says..."I have thoughts..."


My brother Tesh I am truly sorry for these people who continually show themselves to be false brethren. Hopefully I and my family have shown you our Chriatian love so that you can always know that there is this little group of "folk" in Kansas that regards you are thier brother in Christ, always.

[And, as you already know, we certainly dont throw those words at every "stranger" that merely posts on some DB, like they do at PC---for afterawhile, those words from those people become meaningless.]


Matt

Haha, you sure have forgotten what you have done to me last april when I
was your guest, right? You beat me, repeatedly, remember? I've to avenge that first, we talk only afterwards. (FYI, Brendan and Derek, I was blessed to be a guest at Matt's home in Kansas and was hugely blessed for two consequitive years to partake the Lord's evening meal with Matt, Anthony and their Familes.)


You know what I call you and yours, dear brother: My family. That is what you are to me. That is also why I always say, one should never be afraid of
unchartered territories. Infact, it is in the unknown that we mostly
discover the most wonderful things in life. I remember how scared to
death I was to join a discussion board when I decided to leave the
witnesses seven years ago. Looking back, I had watched the same
hypocrisy in DBs that drove me away from kingdom halls, but had the
freedom to join in and leave without being ostrasized. And in the
process I was blessed with a couple of dear brothers and sisters in the
faith who are a thousand times worth than the crowd out there. That is
also why I'm so infuriated by those who tell others who venture out to
stay where they are, just pray more.

I don't feel comfortable with words that are sugarcoated, Matt. And people write a lot of wishy-washy. You surely have read those meaningless closing words "your friend and brother"
I'm glad none of your posts fall in that category. Infact what you write can be scary. But that is what happened when one says what one thinks. People who are used to sweet words without any substance don't like expressions that speak the truth.

Lots and lots of love to you my dear brother.

Thank for the kind words, brother.

I tell you, the big lashing I recall was at the chess table. I tell you what else, Lynn is also quite a player. She plays me dead even in the opening, and tHe only way I can beat her, is to overly complicate the middle game. I can calculate further, along more lines, and complication serves the purpose. I think our cunning, diobolical natures are left best for the trivial games we play. She is also an amazing shark at 'Acquire', a Capitalist exploiter game. She wins 80+% of the time in that one.

Perhaps the PC cowards/hiders need more trivial games in their lives and that way they wouldnt play trivail BS games with people in THIER REAL LIVES.

Somewhere, my brother, I have the both of us doing Karoke together to the song "Loosing my religion" on mp3. I'll have to find that one.

Something interesting that has happened to me in just the last 24 hours; 3 seperate people, who have never met or spoken to each other, in completely different parts of my life, have come to me with privilaged information/requests, asking for my word on the matter, saying; "youre the only one I can trust with this."

Love to the three of you---


MaTT

Hi Matt,
Some years ago I introduced Marjorie to Sudoku.
By the end of of the week she was doing really hard ones in half the time I took and getting it right first time.

At first, when she said I've finished, (I was doing the same puzzle) I was incredulous because I was only half done! I said, " Let me have a look, please!" Sure enough, it was the start of her Sudoku dominance!

Hi Derek,

Surely a wife losing to her husband is just an indirect form of submission. Isn't it? It is, isn't it?

Regards,
Brendan.

Hi Brendan,
Young, Dylan, has got this winning taped!
When he plays snap with Marjorie he takes a quick surreptitious look at his card before he puts it down!

brendan wrote:

Hi Derek,

Surely a wife losing to her husband is just an indirect form of submission. Isn't it? It is, isn't it?

Regards,
Brendan.

Hi Derek,

He sounds like a proper little rascal. You gotta laugh though, don't you. I think kids pay us back for the food we put into them by being natural-born comedians.

I remember the antics of my two hooligans with great fondness.

Regards,
Brendan.